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Decision #49 NC'13 M - Ryh00 vs Edotomsail

 
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Ryh00 Polska



Joined: 08 Jan 2010
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:22 pm    Post subject: Decision #49 NC'13 M - Ryh00 vs Edotomsail Reply with quote

Race number: F4 (medal race)
Fleet name: final
Replay time in the race: 2:00
VSK Umpire decision: 13
VSK pen cancelled?: Yes
Rules broken: 13, 2
Proposed penalty: DNE
Description of the case:
Edotomsail trying to start and crosses head of wind, causing crash with me who had no way to run (more stb boats over me). After our crash I had to stop completly not to interrupt other boats. I believe my race was ruined by Edotomsail who in my opinion broke not only RRS13 but also rule 2.

Protest hail: "p edo rule 2"
Response to hail: -
Informed the protestee about your intention to protest: Yes
Replay available at the download section: Yes
Screen shot of hails available at the download section: Yes


edit:

I forgot to add, that I'd like to request for a redress in this race.


Last edited by Ryh00 Polska on Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:48 pm; edited 1 time in total
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edotomsail



Joined: 03 Jan 2011
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Richard and PC,

please have a look here: http://vsk-nordic.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1634

Sorry again for what I did.


Regards,
Edoardo
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E80



Joined: 11 Jul 2008
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

edotomsail passed head to wind and head to keep clear of ryh00 under RRS 13. ryh00 collides with edotomsail and was stopped.
It was a rude infringement, when edotomsail maneuvred in a grossly negligent way. Therefore edotomsail infringed RRS 2. She retired after finishing the race, but the applicable penalty has to taken promptly.

edotomsail breaks RRS 13, 2 and is disqualified in the Medalrace.

Request of redress acceptet under RRS 62.1 (d). ryh00's points in the medalrace shall be her average points in F1,2 and 3.


E80
NC Protest Committee
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euphoria



Joined: 05 Apr 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
ryh00's points in the medalrace shall be her average points in F1,2 and 3

Dear protest committee,

I notice that Ryh did not try to avoid edo, but I'm more concerned about the redress which is average points from race F1, F2 and F3. I think that is very unfair, as for all the other boats in the final, they have got doubled points for the medal race. Please consider reopening and I suggest you specify the exact number of points Ryh shall be scored with in the medal race.

Harald
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E80



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was a significant error by the Protest Committee. Thank you for the hint.
Hearing is reopened.

E80 NC Protest Committee
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Ryh00 Polska



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did not fully avoid (just to the head of wind), because if I did I would have to tack and either cause collision with stb boats over me or force them to to tack away in order to avoid me. I decided that most correct (for the whole final fleet) is not to put other boats into this situation.

I agree however, that the redress with avreage scores from races 1,2,3 is (with the medal race with doubles scores) not a fair one.

cheers,
richard.
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euphoria



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I guess they only forgot to double Smile

Harald
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Ryh00 Polska



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

indeed it would be much more correct decision;)

unfortunatly it does not change the fact that once again I've made a horrible 2 final races of NC;) That becomes a tradition...
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Rakosi



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Decision:
Previous decision is upheld with the following changes:
Ryh00's points in race M shall be calculated from the following formula:
((F1+F2+F3)/3)*2
where F1, F2 and F3 is her points in race F1, F2 and F3

Rakosi
NC'13 Protest Committee
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